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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 22 November 2024
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Criminal Justice Committee

Coronavirus (Recovery and Reform) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 23 February 2022

Rona Mackay

Thank you. Kate, would you like to comment?

Criminal Justice Committee

Coronavirus (Recovery and Reform) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 23 February 2022

Rona Mackay

Good morning, Kate and Marsha. You have both expressed opposition to the provision in the bill on early release of prisoners, and you have highlighted issues to do with the safety of victims. Can you give examples of the impact on victims and your concerns in that regard? Can any steps be taken to allay those concerns? That question is for Marsha, first.

Criminal Justice Committee

Coronavirus (Recovery and Reform) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 23 February 2022

Rona Mackay

I was really interested in your point about using a vulnerability and human rights-based model. In your letter, you raise concerns about the conflict with the United Nations Convention on the Rights of the Child and articles 2 and 8 of the European convention on human rights, and I would highlight that Her Majesty’s Inspectorate of Prison for Scotland has raised concerns about children and young people, too. You say that you are not in favour of making the powers permanent, but would you be in favour if there were enough scrutiny of the matter?

Criminal Justice Committee

Coronavirus (Recovery and Reform) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 23 February 2022

Rona Mackay

So the committee would not be able to find out what measures were being implemented in any particular prison.

Criminal Justice Committee

Coronavirus (Recovery and Reform) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 23 February 2022

Rona Mackay

But you do not automatically put it in the public realm.

Criminal Justice Committee

Coronavirus (Recovery and Reform) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 23 February 2022

Rona Mackay

That is a really important point. Perhaps I can ask Teresa Medhurst for her thoughts on vulnerability and human rights-based modelling. How do you respond to general concerns that the use of early release can threaten the safety of the public, and that there is general unease among the public at the thought that it will become permanent?

Criminal Justice Committee

Coronavirus (Recovery and Reform) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 23 February 2022

Rona Mackay

Will you address the point that the Howard League made about the vulnerability of children and young people, and whether there should be scrutiny of that? That has not been done. What are your thoughts on that?

Criminal Justice Committee

Coronavirus (Recovery and Reform) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 23 February 2022

Rona Mackay

Could the committee find out that information by, say, writing to prisons and asking them for it?

Criminal Justice Committee

Petitions

Meeting date: 26 January 2022

Rona Mackay

I disagree with my colleague Jamie Greene—I am in favour of keeping the petition open. As the convener has said, this is a long-running petition not just from the previous session but, indeed, before that. Due to its unique nature, it would be wrong of us to close it when there are still conclusions to be reached. I see no harm in keeping it open. The issues have clearly not been resolved and we owe it to the campaign group and the families involved to keep it open. I do not want it to be closed at this stage.

Criminal Justice Committee

Petitions

Meeting date: 26 January 2022

Rona Mackay

Notwithstanding what Russell Findlay has said, there has been progress—it was in the SNP Government’s manifesto to do this. On that basis, we should not keep the petition open. We should follow up with a letter to find out timescales and when the register is likely to be brought in. That is my view. It has been a long-running issue, but it has reached a conclusion. We just need to find out when it is going to happen.

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