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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 5 November 2024
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Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 17 January 2024

Mairi Gougeon

I am happy to do so. I understand that the committee will be disappointed that it looks like a cut on the previous year’s funding; of course, the funding is lower. As I said the last time that I appeared at the committee, when you look at the capital spending review and the overall allocations, you will see that nothing had been spent against the islands programme. That is why I am delighted that we can, in spite of the very difficult financial circumstances that we are in, particularly with our capital budget, continue with the islands programme for the coming year, including providing vital funding for the carbon-neutral islands project.

On overall funding for the islands, £1.5 million in the islands programme has been allocated for resource funding and £3 million has been allocated for capital funding, and for the carbon-neutral islands project we have allocated £0.9 million resource funding and £1.3 million of capital funding. Taking those two programmes as a whole, there is an overall funding envelope of £6.7 million for the coming financial year.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 17 January 2024

Mairi Gougeon

I would like to think that we are. I think that I have said to the committee previously that our having an islands team that works extensively across and with other portfolios in the Government has been critical in helping to develop and further that understanding. It is built into decisions that are taken within various portfolios and there is engagement right from the outset. I do not know whether Erica Clarkson wants to add to that.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 17 January 2024

Mairi Gougeon

The funding that it has provided is the same level as last year’s.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 17 January 2024

Mairi Gougeon

For clarification, I know that that was an ask of the committee, but, at the time when we were considering the policy, there was not a £5 million allocation in the budget for that year to develop the policy, because we were undertaking the initial work and engagement on the islands bond.

Initially, there was a £300,000 budget allocation for the islands bond policy. From the extensive engagement that we undertook, we heard loud and clear that it was not something on which island communities wanted to move forward. We utilised the funding that was available at that point to deliver the practical policy test, which I think I have talked about previously in the committee. The decision was based on the outcome of engagement that took place on the islands and on ideas that people thought would help to tackle issues such as depopulation.

Within that, we had about 11 different projects under way. I discussed previously in committee a piece of work that had been undertaken. The biggest portion of the funding—I think that it was about £250,000—was for work on a skills and population pilot that was undertaken with Skills Development Scotland, Highlands and Islands Enterprise and various local authorities.

I am sure that Erica Clarkson can come in with more information. Evaluation of that work is still to take place and will soon be under way. That work was done in three local authority areas and looked at bespoke solutions that could be created around skills. Erica Clarkson might have more information about those projects.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 17 January 2024

Mairi Gougeon

The £5 million was an overall figure that would have been used for islands bonds had they progressed. In developing the policy, we had to go through the engagement exercises.

As I was saying just now and as we have talked about previously, we are looking at these decisions in an annual budget cycle. If we had decided to pursue that policy and had proceeded with it, the budget as you see it today and the priorities within it would probably have been different. However, it was decided that we would not move forward with that policy. That is why we undertook the work on the different tests, which are helping to inform the interventions that will best address depopulation.

We are still waiting on the publication of the addressing depopulation action plan, which is being led by the social justice portfolio. I am responsible for the rural and islands element of that plan, and we hope that we will be in a position to publish it shortly.

It has been important for us to listen to that engagement and then to undertake this work, which will help to inform our actions as part of that plan so that we know that the interventions that we make to address depopulation will be meaningful and have the impact that we all want.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 17 January 2024

Mairi Gougeon

As Erica Clarkson said, we are still to undertake the evaluation of that project. However, this is where the funding of other elements that we have undertaken has been important. We have helped to fund the community resettlement officer positions as part of that work.

Funding for the addressing depopulation action plan does not come just from interventions from my portfolio; the social justice portfolio also contains funding for that. Again, that is all part of our considerations of what we are looking at as part of the addressing depopulation action plan.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 17 January 2024

Mairi Gougeon

Ultimately, what we are getting from the UK Government equates to a real-terms cut to our budget. The vast majority of our budget comes from what we used to get when we were members of the EU, so we are largely dependent on that, as it makes up the vast majority of our funding. Of course, that has a wider impact.

The issue comes back to what I said in my opening comments about where we were at the start in relation to settlements across the piece. We are facing very difficult budget choices, and difficult decisions must be made, but all of that is exacerbated by the fact that we have a lack of clarity and no certainty on what we will receive in the future, as well as the fact that we are receiving a flat settlement from the UK Government.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 17 January 2024

Mairi Gougeon

I would be happy to outline that. The pillar 1 funds are exactly as you have described. We have voluntary coupled support, with the beef scheme and the sheep scheme within that, and there is the fruit and vegetable aid scheme. I want to be absolutely clear that those budgets remain unchanged—they have not been cut. There is £48 million allocated to the voluntary coupled support, and £2.7 million relates to the fruit and vegetable aid scheme.

The element of that budget that has been reduced is the line that previously related to common market organisation. That budget line covered several things, including the school milk scheme and the public intervention and private storage aid scheme. To give you an example from one of those schemes, we transferred the school milk budget to education, and the scheme is now funded directly by education, with local authorities charged with delivering it. We have used the private storage aid scheme only once, in relation to pig meat during Covid.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 17 January 2024

Mairi Gougeon

It is up against the forecast spend, and I believe that that still allows us to increase uptake from where we are at the moment. Last year, when I was before the committee, we were looking at very low figures for the number of people undertaking carbon audits and soil tests. That figure jumped up towards the end of the claim period at the end of last February, and we have seen an increase in uptake, too.

We have ensured that what we have in the budget can meet the current levels that we are seeing, but there is also capacity for uptake of those schemes. I just want to reiterate that that support is still there and I very much encourage farmers and crofters to take it up.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 17 January 2024

Mairi Gougeon

I think that George Burgess wants to come in on that.