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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 5 November 2024
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Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 17 January 2024

Mairi Gougeon

You are right and I completely understand why they would feel like that, being in that position. Unfortunately, we do go through these annual budget processes. You are also right about how vital their role has been. The project is successful, and I hope that it will continue to be successful. A lot of that success is down to the groundwork that the community development officers have put into making it a success and ensuring that we have true community engagement on the ground as well as buy-in to the process. We will continue to fund the programme. We recognise how important the roles and the jobs of the development officers are, so I will strive to offer them as much security as I can.

Within the budget as it is set out, there is a fall in the resource funding. Part of the reason for that is that there has not been as much requirement for resource funding because of the stage the project is at. All the carbon audits for the islands have now been completed. The community climate change action plans have been published and some projects are in the middle of being delivered.

The key focus of the next stage of the project is about the investment strategies and how we can look to leverage in and make the most of other sources of funding. That will be a critical piece of work.

One good thing about the funding that is available this year is that there is a slight increase in the capital funding, which I hope will be of benefit to the overall project. However, it is one thing that is proving to be successful. We have seen it develop and that is down to the work of the community development officers. I want to make sure that the project continues, because it gives us such a good platform.

We are now considering how we can share the learning, and Erica Clarkson might want to add something about that. It has been a critical part of the project from the start. It is not just for these six islands; it is about how we can share the thinking and the progress with other islands, as well as looking to share it internationally.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 17 January 2024

Mairi Gougeon

I do not have the exact information about the HIE budget. It is not an area that falls within my portfolio. I would be happy to follow up with more information about it.

As I have said about other parts of the budget, and particularly in relation to our islands, HIE does an important job, which is highly valued. HIE is our partner in a number of pieces of work, some of which I have touched on today. However, we cannot look at each of these things in isolation; it has to be about how we work across the piece. It is not down to one agency or one portfolio to deliver for our islands and ensure that we are addressing the challenges there. It takes cross-Government working and approaches to deliver. Again, I am sorry that I do not have the specific details about that with me, but I am more than happy to follow it up.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 17 January 2024

Mairi Gougeon

I absolutely have concerns about it, but I come back to the point that I made at the start of the meeting. I am not happy with the budget settlement that I have. Ideally, I would love to plough more funding into some more of these areas. The fact is that we have the envelope that we have. There are similar challenges across Government, and I know that none of these decisions are easy. Of course, it concerns me.

Some of the cuts to my capital budget also concern me, but, ultimately, we have to try to find a way to work within the envelopes that we have, and that will be no different for HIE. I will work with HIE and with Neil Gray, the Cabinet Secretary for Wellbeing Economy, Fair Work and Energy, to make sure that we are still maximising the positive impact that we can have on rural and island areas.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 17 January 2024

Mairi Gougeon

AECS is an important fund for us. Out of all the funds that we have, it is the one that delivers against the objectives on climate mitigation and the nature enhancement activities that we want to see. It is also one of the key mechanisms that we have for increasing the amount of land that is farmed organically, and it has been very successful in that regard.

In previous years, we have had to restrict certain rounds or restrict the things that we are looking to fund within that, because of various financial constraints that we faced. In the current budget—remembering, of course, that AECS contracts are essentially rolling ones year on year—just over £16 million of the AECS allocation will go on previous year’s contracts that have been agreed. With the remainder of the budget that we have for AECS, I believe that we should be able to finance the vast majority of applications that came through to AECS this year.

AECS is not the only funding mechanism we have that can help deliver the climate and biodiversity enhancements that we want. We have the greening payment. We have the nature restoration fund, which sits within not my portfolio but the net zero, energy and transport portfolio. We have the farm advisory service. We have several other pots that still contribute to the overall objectives, even though they do not sit under the AECS umbrella.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 17 January 2024

Mairi Gougeon

Yes. We are still to announce the outcome of the applications for the 2023 round. We are going through the budget discussions at the moment, but, as I said, through the funding that we have allocated in the budget, we expect to be able to fund the vast majority of the applications in the 2023 round.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 17 January 2024

Mairi Gougeon

Yes, I will be having those discussions with the Deputy First Minister. You are right that the £15 million is part of the £61 million deferred funding that has been returned to the portfolio and that we have had the agreement to switch to capital funding. That remains and means that we have £46 million outstanding. The Deputy First Minister has confirmed that that will be returned to the portfolio, but the sequencing of that and how the money can be utilised is subject to further discussion. I am happy to keep the committee updated on that.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 17 January 2024

Mairi Gougeon

The £46 million is still to be returned, so that would be in future years’ budgets.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 17 January 2024

Mairi Gougeon

If you have particular concerns that are being raised with you, I am more than happy to look into that. It is not a concern that I have had raised directly with me. You will be aware that the Minister for Energy and the Environment has responsibility for crofting, and I do not know whether that issue has been raised with her.

With some of the crofting schemes, we look to make improvements where we can. If you look to the croft house grant as an example of that, we have increased the grant rate for that and we have also looked at introducing measures for energy efficiency that did not exist previously. If there are adjustments that we can make within that or if that is something that we need to look at, I am more than happy to follow that up with the Minister for Energy and the Environment and consider it further.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 17 January 2024

Mairi Gougeon

Again, Dave Signorini will have more detail on that. It is fair to say that there has been a fair amount of transformation in the marine directorate, with a focus on reducing costs where possible.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 17 January 2024

Mairi Gougeon

I will need to follow up on that directly and look into the circumstances. I am not able to say right now whether there has been communication on that or what involvement there has been. Perhaps Dave Signorini has more information on that.