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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 27 November 2024
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Public Audit Committee

“Investing in Scotland’s infrastructure”

Meeting date: 2 November 2023

Richard Leonard

I thank Dharshi Santhakumaran, Ashleigh Madjitey and the Auditor General very much indeed for what has been a very useful evidence session for the committee.

I close the public part of the meeting, and we will now move into private session.

10:36 Meeting continued in private until 10:58.  

Public Audit Committee

“Investing in Scotland’s infrastructure”

Meeting date: 2 November 2023

Richard Leonard

That is fine. I will bring you back in shortly.

Let us move on. You have mentioned the issues around revenue-financed projects a couple of times. Colin Beattie has some questions to put to you on that.

Public Audit Committee

“Investing in Scotland’s infrastructure”

Meeting date: 2 November 2023

Richard Leonard

I presume that Addiewell is newer than Kilmarnock.

Public Audit Committee

“Investing in Scotland’s infrastructure”

Meeting date: 2 November 2023

Richard Leonard

Thanks. I now invite Graham Simpson to put some more questions to you.

Public Audit Committee

“Investing in Scotland’s infrastructure”

Meeting date: 2 November 2023

Richard Leonard

We are coming towards the end of the session. Willie Coffey has a couple of questions on maintenance and I have one final question.

Public Audit Committee

Decision on Taking Business in Private

Meeting date: 2 November 2023

Richard Leonard

Good morning. I welcome everyone to the 27th meeting in 2023 of the Public Audit Committee. The first agenda item is for committee members to decide whether to take items 3, 4 and 5 in private. Do members agree to do so?

Members indicated agreement.

Public Audit Committee

“Investing in Scotland’s infrastructure”

Meeting date: 2 November 2023

Richard Leonard

Thank you very much indeed for that opening statement. We move straight to questions. I invite the deputy convener, Sharon Dowey, to ask the first set of questions.

Public Audit Committee

“Investing in Scotland’s infrastructure”

Meeting date: 2 November 2023

Richard Leonard

Before we move on, I want to pick up on the theme of transparency that you mentioned in your opening remarks. Paragraph 9 of the briefing paper, which is where the deputy convener started her questioning, states:

“Details are available for only £14.9 billion of the £26 billion of infrastructure investment originally announced.”

In the same paragraph, we find expressions such as

“it is not possible to compare ... makes it difficult to compare”

and

“It does not assess”.

That is a series of criticisms of the transparency of the available data. Have you had any initial response to that from the Scottish Government?

Public Audit Committee

“Investing in Scotland’s infrastructure”

Meeting date: 2 November 2023

Richard Leonard

We will return to some of those themes over the next 45 minutes to an hour. I will now bring in Willie Coffey, who has some questions to put to you.

Public Audit Committee

“Investing in Scotland’s infrastructure”

Meeting date: 2 November 2023

Richard Leonard

On the point that, of the

“45 projects, the costs of eight had increased, 13 had been delayed and a further three had been paused”,

that means, does it not, that fewer than half are on track in terms of cost and timescale?

We hear what you said about it not being possible to be too precise about cost and delivery dates. However, I presume that people build in a degree of flexibility, with an indicative date of completion for an infrastructure project. You might make allowances for snagging and so on as part of the process. We are talking about a substantial number of infrastructure projects that have problems associated with them.