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Public Audit Committee
Section 23 Report: “Adult mental health”
Meeting date: 14 December 2023
Richard Leonard
When I see a figure of 10 per cent being set out as a goal in Government policy, I do not see that as just being about amounts; I see it as also being about proportions.
Public Audit Committee
Section 23 Report: “Adult mental health”
Meeting date: 14 December 2023
Richard Leonard
We will get into more detail about the data gaps and some of the evidence that we have taken around that, but the question is not so much whether you are talking to various groups or not, but what the outcomes are.
Public Audit Committee
Section 23 Report: “Adult mental health”
Meeting date: 14 December 2023
Richard Leonard
So, are you saying that when a Scottish Government and COSLA joint strategy is developed, it is all down to what happens at a local level; there is no Scottish Government oversight of that?
Public Audit Committee
Section 23 Report: “Adult mental health”
Meeting date: 14 December 2023
Richard Leonard
Before I bring in Willie Coffey, I want to ask you about a proposal that was put to us by the Mental Health Foundation. It said that, in order to tackle mental health inequalities, there ought to be an assessment of the impact on mental health of all Government decision making. Do you accept that that is worth exploring?
Public Audit Committee
Section 23 Report: “Adult mental health”
Meeting date: 14 December 2023
Richard Leonard
The Auditor General has obviously chosen to produce the report on adult mental health services because it is a matter of public interest.
Caroline Lamb, I will take you back to your initial response when I put to you the evidence that we had taken from both the Royal College of Psychiatrists in Scotland and the Auditor General. At 9 o’clock, you said that you accepted all the key messages in the report. However, before the clock got to half past 9, you were distancing yourself from the very clear message that there is a view, which has been reinforced in all the round-table evidence sessions that we have had, that the system is fragmented and that there are issues around accountability in the system. Do you not accept any of that?
Public Audit Committee
Section 23 Report: “Adult mental health”
Meeting date: 14 December 2023
Richard Leonard
Are you saying that you think that that is working well?
Public Audit Committee
Section 23 Report: “Adult mental health”
Meeting date: 14 December 2023
Richard Leonard
Do you have a shared perspective on the scale of the challenge?
Public Audit Committee
Section 23 Report: “Adult mental health”
Meeting date: 14 December 2023
Richard Leonard
Okay. Thank you.
I invite the deputy convener, Sharon Dowey, to put some questions.
Public Audit Committee
Section 23 Report: “Adult mental health”
Meeting date: 14 December 2023
Richard Leonard
Okay. Thank you. In order to move things along, I invite Graham Simpson to put some questions to you.
Public Audit Committee
Section 23 Report: “Adult mental health”
Meeting date: 14 December 2023
Richard Leonard
Thank you very much. Graham Simpson mentioned case study 2 in the report. Can I ask you about case study 4, which is not Trieste but Tayside? There have been some pretty catastrophic failures in the approach of the mental health service in NHS Tayside. The experience of people at Carseview in particular produced some very harrowing personal tragedies for families. What information can you give us about current adult mental health services in NHS Tayside?
