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Public Audit Committee
Section 23 Report: “New vessels for the Clyde and Hebrides: Arrangements to deliver vessels 801 and 802”
Meeting date: 16 June 2022
Richard Leonard
—on 5 June 2018 or that it was a three-year-old legal letter?
Public Audit Committee
Section 23 Report: “New vessels for the Clyde and Hebrides: Arrangements to deliver vessels 801 and 802”
Meeting date: 16 June 2022
Richard Leonard
We work on the basis that people before us are telling the truth.
Public Audit Committee
Section 23 Report: “New vessels for the Clyde and Hebrides: Arrangements to deliver vessels 801 and 802”
Meeting date: 16 June 2022
Richard Leonard
Who was? Derek Mackay?
Public Audit Committee
Section 23 Report: “New vessels for the Clyde and Hebrides: Arrangements to deliver vessels 801 and 802”
Meeting date: 16 June 2022
Richard Leonard
Do you think that you had preferential access to ministers?
Public Audit Committee
Decision on Taking Business in Private
Meeting date: 16 June 2022
Richard Leonard
Good morning. I welcome everyone to the 18th meeting of the Public Audit Committee in 2022. Under item 1, does the committee agree to take agenda items 3 and 4 in private?
Members indicated agreement.
Public Audit Committee
Section 23 Report: “New vessels for the Clyde and Hebrides: Arrangements to deliver vessels 801 and 802”
Meeting date: 16 June 2022
Richard Leonard
Our principal agenda item this morning is continued consideration of the Auditor General for Scotland’s report, “New Vessels for the Clyde and Hebrides: Arrangements to deliver vessels 801 and 802”.
Our witness this morning is Jim McColl, the former director of Ferguson Marine Engineering Ltd. You are welcome, Mr McColl. We had also hoped to take evidence from the former chief executive officer of FMEL, Gerry Marshall. Unfortunately, he is not now available but, as always, the option remains open to the committee to consider whether we wish to seek further evidence at a future date.
Mr McColl, we have a written submission from you, so thank you for that. I invite you to make a short opening statement of about two minutes before we get into questions.
Public Audit Committee
Section 23 Report: “New vessels for the Clyde and Hebrides: Arrangements to deliver vessels 801 and 802”
Meeting date: 16 June 2022
Richard Leonard
Okay. Obviously, there is a financial relationship between the Government, Caledonian Maritime Assets Ltd and the company that you were the owner of. Again, I want to go back to August 2015. I mentioned the email that was sent to Keith Brown on 20 August. Come 31 August, the First Minister went to the yard to announce that FMEL was the preferred bidder for the contract. That must have strengthened your hand in any negotiations that were taking place.
Public Audit Committee
Section 23 Report: “New vessels for the Clyde and Hebrides: Arrangements to deliver vessels 801 and 802”
Meeting date: 16 June 2022
Richard Leonard
Thank you very much indeed, Mr McColl. Thank you for giving up so much of your time this morning and furnishing us with some detailed and wide-ranging answers to our questions.
If, on reflection, you have any other material that you think would be useful to the inquiry that we are running and would help to inform it, we would be very happy to receive it.
Thank you once again for your time this morning. It has been much appreciated.
Public Audit Committee
Section 23 Report: “New vessels for the Clyde and Hebrides: Arrangements to deliver vessels 801 and 802”
Meeting date: 16 June 2022
Richard Leonard
Mr McColl, if there are any points that you want to address in writing to us after the committee, please do not hesitate to do that. We welcome further written submissions.
Public Audit Committee
Section 23 Report: “New vessels for the Clyde and Hebrides: Arrangements to deliver vessels 801 and 802”
Meeting date: 16 June 2022
Richard Leonard
Okay. I am going to move on. I ask Willie Coffey to ask a couple of questions that he has, and I will bring other people in if they want to come in.
