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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 28 November 2024
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Public Audit Committee

Written Authority: Completion of Vessel 802

Meeting date: 22 June 2023

Richard Leonard

Surely there is nobody in the Government more familiar with what is in that Teneo report than the director-general economy. Why would he sit two weeks ago where you are sat today and say that work was on-going, that he was having discussions with Audit Scotland and that he hoped to release at least some of the information in that document?

Public Audit Committee

Written Authority: Completion of Vessel 802

Meeting date: 22 June 2023

Richard Leonard

That includes the rationale for the request for written authority. That is quite a narrow focus. Gregor Irwin falls back on the use of the word “narrow” quite a number of times in his evidence to the committee and in some of the written information that we have seen. That rationale is quite a narrow focus, is it not? Why would that preclude even some of the Teneo report or even some of the information that was the basis for that decision—as you said, the decision was very unusual; it was the first time that there had been a written authority since 2007—being provided?

Public Audit Committee

Written Authority: Completion of Vessel 802

Meeting date: 22 June 2023

Richard Leonard

I said that Willie Coffey would ask the final questions, but Graham Simpson has indicated that he wants to come in with a brief one.

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2021/22 audit of South Lanarkshire College”

Meeting date: 22 June 2023

Richard Leonard

Thank you very much. I will get us under way and really home in on the compliance issue. When we received the section 22 report last year, there was concern that governance arrangements were way off what they should have been in relation to publication of minutes, internal audit procedures and, even, the convening of meetings. Big alarm bells were ringing at that time.

In this report, you are saying to us, in essence, that stabilisation has occurred and compliance with codes of good governance is in place. It is mentioned in the report that compliance was in place “by 31 July 2022”, which is very precise. Did things happen in advance of or in the lead-up to that date, or was that when the change took place?

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2021/22 audit of South Lanarkshire College”

Meeting date: 22 June 2023

Richard Leonard

The £800,000 was spent predominantly on paying lawyers to carry out the investigations, as I read the report. Where did that money come from? Did the college have reserves that it could draw on? Presumably, that was an unanticipated outlay that would not have been budgeted for.

Public Audit Committee

Written Authority: Completion of Vessel 802

Meeting date: 22 June 2023

Richard Leonard

I will ask about the process of written authority. We were told that not only you but the Deputy First Minister and the First Minister were involved in the decision to issue written authority. Were the Deputy First Minister and the First Minister involved in the decision not to release the report?

Public Audit Committee

Written Authority: Completion of Vessel 802

Meeting date: 22 June 2023

Richard Leonard

We may return to some of those themes, but we are quite tight for time, so I will ask the deputy convener, Sharon Dowey, to put some questions to you.

Public Audit Committee

Written Authority: Completion of Vessel 802

Meeting date: 22 June 2023

Richard Leonard

Was the May 2027 date one of the conclusions of the Teneo report?

Public Audit Committee

Written Authority: Completion of Vessel 802

Meeting date: 22 June 2023

Richard Leonard

Even in redacted form?

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2021/22 audit of South Lanarkshire College”

Meeting date: 22 June 2023

Richard Leonard

I welcome everyone back. We move to agenda item 3, which is consideration of a section 22 report entitled “The 2021/22 audit of South Lanarkshire College”.

I welcome our witnesses for this evidence session. We are joined by the Auditor General for Scotland, Stephen Boyle. With Mr Boyle are Rebecca Seidel, who is a senior audit manager at Audit Scotland, and David Hoose, who is a partner at Mazars LLP, which is the organisation that carried out the audit.

I invite the Auditor General to make an opening statement before we get into questions from committee members.