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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 26 November 2024
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Finance and Public Administration Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 23 January 2024

John Mason

I was thinking of practical issues. It is a slightly different topic, but we had an issue in Glasgow with link workers, who are linked to general practices. The local general practitioner opinion—that is, the NHS—said that link workers were good and that we needed to fund them, but the HSCP said that it could not fund them and the Government came in with more money. Would that kind of decision making change in future?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 23 January 2024

John Mason

In the programme business case, you contrast what would happen if we carried on as usual with what could happen if we had the new system. It says that a new system could enable various things, such as

“strategic integration, national oversight, accountability and opportunities to invest in preventative care rather than crisis responses,”

and the possibility of avoiding

“expenditure on poor outcomes such as those that are experienced by people who are delayed in hospital”.

The business case goes on to say:

“there could be considerable costs that are avoidable if the current system can be improved”.

Can you go into that a little bit more? Are we saying that passing the bill and having the national care service will automatically produce savings that we can put into preventative care? The committee has been looking at that issue for quite a long time now. Alternatively, is it just that there is a possibility of savings?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 23 January 2024

John Mason

Surely, information sharing cannot in itself lead to big savings, can it?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 23 January 2024

John Mason

If the chief executive or the board of the integration authority wants to stop doing something, to whom will they be answerable? Will the new national body, the health board or the local council be able to say no or veto them, or will they have to keep pleasing all three bodies?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 23 January 2024

John Mason

It has been suggested that integration authorities could amalgamate. Would that be an entirely local decision or would there be national input?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 23 January 2024

John Mason

We have not yet touched on the idea of integrated social care and health records. According to the papers, they

“don’t yet exist and as such will require major investment in their own rights”.

Am I right in saying that no money is set aside for those records, as there could be data sharing without them?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 23 January 2024

John Mason

Are there even any rough ideas of what it will cost?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 23 January 2024

John Mason

Okay. Thanks.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 23 January 2024

John Mason

I have one other question about integration authorities. I note that VAT is mentioned. If money went directly to the integration authorities, would that create a VAT problem?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 23 January 2024

John Mason

This will be my final question. You mentioned the programme business case. Am I right in saying that the programme business case will be updated when there are significant changes? Will we see a new version every quarter, every month or every six months? How does that work?