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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 22 November 2024
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Education, Children and Young People Committee

Scottish Attainment Challenge Inquiry

Meeting date: 9 February 2022

Willie Rennie

I thank everyone for their evidence so far. I am looking for a bit more precision, because I am not an educationist but I am involved in the policy-making process. I get completely what Professor Ainscow is saying about empowering people who know what they are doing to do what they know best. What I do not understand is what we are getting wrong, and I need a bit more precision on that.

You talked about budget control. What elements of central budget control do you disapprove of and would change? What would you change in terms of the measurement process? I have seen the view in your paper that measurement is narrowing education, which has a disproportionate effect on disadvantaged pupils. What are we getting wrong on that front, and what are we getting wrong on guidance? I know that you will say that it is a partnership and that we have a role, but I want to know what we are not getting right and what we need to change.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Scottish Attainment Challenge Inquiry

Meeting date: 9 February 2022

Willie Rennie

Professor Ainscow, can I stop you there? I know that we have positive things, but I am in politics to fix things that are not going well. Therefore, can you tell us what is not going well and what we are getting wrong? I am quite prepared for you to be personal. I need to know what we are getting wrong and so far we have not had precision.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Scottish Attainment Challenge Inquiry

Meeting date: 9 February 2022

Willie Rennie

Okay. Let me give you some precise questions. I have been a strong critic of Scottish national standardised assessments. I think that they create league tables and distort learning in schools, and the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development has made it very clear that they need to change. Are those the type of measurements that you think are narrowing the curriculum and disproportionately affecting disadvantaged pupils? Would you change SNSAs? Would you, for instance, get rid of them for primary 1 pupils?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Scottish Attainment Challenge Inquiry

Meeting date: 9 February 2022

Willie Rennie

Okay.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Scottish Attainment Challenge Inquiry

Meeting date: 9 February 2022

Willie Rennie

I get all that completely. Let me give you another example. Some of the controls that we have set from the centre include the pupil equity fund and the attainment challenge. We have, in effect, ring fenced the money for those things. There has also been a more recent one around teacher recruitment—permanent posts, in particular. Would you get rid of those controls from the centre? Is that the kind of budget control that you want teachers to have more freedom over?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Scottish Attainment Challenge Inquiry

Meeting date: 9 February 2022

Willie Rennie

That is quite a radical change.

I have a final question, which is for Becky Francis. We have talked about tutoring. From my understanding, there is a significant difference between the ways of working of the pupil equity fund and of the English pupil premium. Is the lack of encouragement from the PEF part of the reason why we are not expanding the tutoring programme?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Scottish Attainment Challenge Inquiry

Meeting date: 9 February 2022

Willie Rennie

You are saying that we do not fully understand the impact of the pandemic on those key groups.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Scottish Attainment Challenge Inquiry

Meeting date: 9 February 2022

Willie Rennie

Okay, if you—

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 9 February 2022

Willie Rennie

It was helpful to have a response from the cabinet secretary. However, it begs further questions about the initial legislation and regulations. There are still many unanswered questions and we should continue to monitor the situation, but I am satisfied that we can proceed.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Drink and Needle Spiking

Meeting date: 26 January 2022

Willie Rennie

Not at all, convener—I have found the discussion fascinating.

What is coming through very clearly is that the bigger threat, which has been present for a long time now, is this particular use of alcohol and plying victims with it in order to gain control. Is there a danger that with all the recent publicity there has been an unfair—or, I should say, incorrect—focus on drug spiking with needles or in drinks, when all we want is for people to be alert to traditional drink spiking through extra alcohol, triple shots and so on?

My second question is probably for our student witnesses, Victim Support Scotland and others. Are the pubs and venues meeting the standard that Mike Grieve has set out with regard to what you expect from staff in dealing with these incidents? If not, how do we change that situation?

Kate, do you want to go first, given that you were the first to talk about triple shots of alcohol?