Chamber and committees

David—I will bring you in now.

David Hawkey can come back in if he is brief.

Three years is too late. Should it be two years?

One year?

I am asking about that from a parliamentary scrutiny point of view. I want to know what the period is so that, should the Government slow down for any reason, perhaps due to a slight hiccup, whomever scrutinises things will know that. Would it be fair to say that, for the first five-year carbon budget, the climate change plan must be released within two months of that budget having been set? Would that be too tight? Should it be three months?

You are saying—correct me if I am wrong—that the climate change plan to achieve the first five-year carbon budget needs to be published at the same time as the budget is published. There can be a small delay, to allow us to see the way forward, but it cannot be delayed for a year. I want to include a date in the bill, to hold everyone to account. If you include a date, you can hold politicians to account.

It is £58 million.

Douglas, is your question specifically on this matter? If not, I will take Bob Doris’s question next.

Thank you, Jackie. I have a few questions, but I will make an observation first. Cabinet secretary, it was interesting that you said that disposable vapes are often used by people who are under age. I have certainly seen—I think that we all have—shops where disposable vapes are made attractive to children. I have also seen those shops selling ice creams to attract people. I know of one situation where ice creams were being sold with a disposable vape as a free gift on the side of it. It is quite evident that there is a problem. As long as the Government accepts that the regulations are not going to absolve it from preventing young people who should not be supplied vapes from getting them, I think that they are a step forward.

Is the definition flexible enough to allow future proofing? One of the issues that have been raised with us is the use of coils, but ceramic plates are now used in disposable vapes, and pod vapes are being used. Are you convinced that the legislation will prevent some clever person from getting past the definition of disposable vapes in the regulations?

In relation to rechargeable and reusable vapes, vapes that allow one refill before becoming useless could be cheaper than ones that can be refilled numerous times. I do not know—I have never used them. I was a smoker, but I have never been attracted to vaping. How do we avoid that?