Chamber and committees

Agenda item 5 is an evidence-taking session on the challenges of artists’ mobility between Scotland and the EU, with a focus on the music industry. The evidence will inform our inquiry on the review of the UK-EU trade and co-operation agreement, as well as our on-going input into the UK-EU parliamentary partnership assembly in advance of its next meeting on 4 to 5 December.

We are joined this morning by Sam Dunkley, acting regional organiser of the Musicians Union; Alice Black, Scottish live events branch, Bectu, who is joining us online this morning; Alistair Mackie, chief executive of the Royal Scottish National Orchestra; Ewan Robertson, board member of Traditional Arts and Culture Scotland; and Lisa Whytock, director of Active Events, who is also joining us online.

I invite each of our witnesses to give a short overview of the challenges experienced by touring artists post-EU exit from their own organisation’s perspectives. I will begin with Ms Whytock.

Ewan, do you want to go first, as you mentioned Skerryvore?

Is the committee content to delegate authority to me, as convener, to approve a report on the instrument for publication?

Members indicated agreement.

I would like to ask a final question, but I am completely out of time, so I will share my thoughts with regard to Mr Brown’s question. In relation to funding, is it fair to compare Scotland as a non-state, if you like, with other states? Would it be fairer to compare Scotland with the Basque Country, Catalonia and some of the Länder? We only have time for yes or no answers.

Thank you, cabinet secretary. I certainly welcome the reports. It has been really useful to see the level of detail that we now have available to us.

In your letter, you agreed with Dr Whitten’s assessment in her EU law tracker report that a degree of diversion is a risk that will likely occur cumulatively, potentially becoming significant in the future. Can you expand on the challenges that the Scottish Government has in that respect? What would be the significant implications of regulatory divergence for businesses that are seeking to trade with the EU and in the internal market, including Northern Ireland?

I think that it is fine.

I am afraid that we have come to the end of our time. The fact that we have run right up against it is testament to how much we have enjoyed the session. We are thankful for your contributions. Thank you, both, very much for attending.

Good morning, and a warm welcome to the 30th meeting in 2023 of the Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee. We have received apologies from Kate Forbes, who is being substituted by Audrey Nicoll—a warm welcome to her, too—and from deputy convener, Donald Cameron MSP. I know that our thoughts will be with Donald this week.

Mr Cameron will be substituted by Pam Gosal, whom I welcome to the committee. As this is your first time here, Pam, I invite you to make a declaration of interests.

Our main agenda item this morning is the continuation of our evidence taking for the committee’s inquiry into the Scottish Government’s national outcomes and indicators relating to international policy. We are joined remotely by Noé Cornago, associate professor of international law and international relationships, University of the Basque Country; and Professor Stéphane Paquin from the national school of public administration in Quebec. Thank you both for joining us this morning, but a special thank you to our colleague from Quebec—I understand that this will be a very early start for you this morning.

I will open with a general question about how civil society plays a part in the paradiplomacy that happens in your countries. I will bring in Noé Cornago first.

I would like to ask a supplementary along the lines of Mr Stewart’s questioning. When the committee visited Brussels, it met the Canadian mission. Given the new situation that Scotland finds itself in outside the European Union, can you tell us how Quebec integrates with the Canadian mission as a third party in Brussels? Moreover, how does Basque paradiplomacy happen in Brussels, given that the Basque Country itself is still within the European Union?