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Official Report: search what was said in Parliament

The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 25 November 2024
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Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Gender Recognition Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 28 June 2022

Joe FitzPatrick

We will first go to a couple of other members who have not yet asked their substantive question, and we will come back to you. There is plenty of time.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Gender Recognition Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 28 June 2022

Joe FitzPatrick

That is fine. I should say that we are going to have a comfort break in a little while, but I will bring in members who have any supplementary questions on transitioning, detransitioning and retransitioning or young people.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Gender Recognition Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 28 June 2022

Joe FitzPatrick

The committee can discuss all those matters in drafting our stage 1 report. On that basis, I will suspend proceedings for 10 minutes for a comfort break. We will reconvene at 25 minutes to 12.

11:22 Meeting suspended.  

11:37 On resuming—  

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Gender Recognition Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 28 June 2022

Joe FitzPatrick

I am sorry, but I think that other folk want to come in on those particular areas. Is it okay if I come back to you after?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Gender Recognition Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 28 June 2022

Joe FitzPatrick

I reconvene the meeting. We start with a question from Fulton MacGregor.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Gender Recognition Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 28 June 2022

Joe FitzPatrick

Karen Adam has a brief supplementary.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 28 June 2022

Joe FitzPatrick

We can discuss those matters in private and agree to write to the minister or ensure that we see her early in September. There is no scope for getting her in front of us today because the negative instruments come into force, but any member who wants to take further action can discuss that with the clerks. There is a parliamentary process for that.

That said and those points having been put on the record, are members content not to make any recommendation to Parliament on the instruments?

Members indicated agreement.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Gender Recognition Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 28 June 2022

Joe FitzPatrick

I call Pam Gosal.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Gender Recognition Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 28 June 2022

Joe FitzPatrick

Before the cabinet secretary responds, there was a point that is more for me than for her. Right at the start, the committee agreed to hear from the bill team in private as an introduction to the bill. That was the unanimous decision of the committee at the time. Obviously, Ms Hamilton was not a member of the committee at that time, but the correct procedure in Parliament is that a minute is not taken of private sessions. However, a note of that session was published. It was not really fair to put that to the cabinet secretary; it was for us as a committee. We took a decision, albeit prior to Ms Hamilton’s attendance.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Gender Recognition Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 28 June 2022

Joe FitzPatrick

Thank you. I am trying hard not to police language unless it is directed at an individual, but you have made your point.