Chamber and committees

Do you think that there is a role for the Scottish Government in supporting this?

Emma, would you like to comment?

You have highlighted examples of fairly low-key adaptations that have been made. They are things that do not cost a lot of money, such as providing training to understand the person’s needs. What about the more complex successes that you have had?

I would like to explore a little bit more an area that has been discussed in connection with the adaptations that employers might have to make to accommodate disabled staff. Can you give some more concrete examples of how working practices have been changed successfully in businesses to accommodate disabled people? Ashley, I will start with you.

You mentioned Enable Works going in and providing support. You must be a bit limited in the resources that you have to be able to do that. If you really started to achieve the targets for disability employment that you would like to achieve, how would you cope?

Yes, I do. The industry members are taking on the secretarial and administration work. They are providing all the support, so the impact on my office will be relatively low. There will have to be input from the convener and, I hope, the active MSPs, but I am absolutely certain that I have the time. I would not have gone into this if I did not believe that I had the time to commit to the group. Frankly, given the nature of what we are looking at, it is a priority for Scotland and for the rest of the UK. It would be a serious deficiency—I almost said “space”—in the range of CPGs that we provide if this vital area was not covered.

I thank the committee for the opportunity to say a few words in support of the proposed cross-party group on space.

It is really all rather exciting. I know that members will have read the purpose of the group. They will have noticed in that document that we talked about the importance of the space sector to the economy of Scotland and to the wider United Kingdom. In that regard, I have been in touch with the chair of the Westminster all-party parliamentary group on space, and we have agreed that we will liaise and do the best that we can to have a joined-up approach.

There is very little awareness of how much the space industry contributes to the Scottish economy and of how we can help to develop it. According to the industry, there are currently 97 companies—Scottish small and medium-sized enterprises and rather larger companies—involved in Scotland. If members look at the list of non-MSP members of the proposed group, they will see Airbus, Lockheed Martin, the UK Government’s Department for International Trade and a number of others, including universities. A number of others are in the process of moving down the road of signing up.

Scotland is home to a fifth of the space jobs in the UK. Fifty-two per cent of nanosatellites in the world are produced in Glasgow. Therefore, we have a huge commitment to the space industry.

Alongside that, the number of space businesses has increased by 65 per cent since 2016. That is evident in the numbers that are we are seeing—and the number of space businesses is still expanding. We are leading the way on the space industry. For example, the UK Astronomy Technology Centre, which is based at the Royal Observatory in Edinburgh, is the national centre of excellence for the development of scientific instrumentation and facilities for ground and space-based astronomy. The Phoenix-based Mangata Networks, which is described as

“an innovative satellite-enabled cloud services company”,

has said that Ayrshire will be the centre for its research and development activities as well as satellite manufacturing, which will, of course, increase the proportion of satellites produced in Scotland. It will create 575 jobs at the new space research and development facility.

From astronomy to pure science, manufacturing, launch, and data use and application, the sector is a complex one with a wide-ranging and transformational impact. The exciting work that is taking place in Scotland needs a platform for discussion and to highlight to parliamentarians the world-leading changing innovations that are happening on our doorstep in Scotland.

Since the application form was submitted, two other organisations—Skyrora and Global Trek Aviation—have signed up. I have a particular feeling for Skyrora because it is in my constituency, I have stood beside its rockets and it really is impressive. That really is exciting.

We have 23 of the 97 organisations signed up and we are in discussion with many more. I am also pleased that the establishment of the CPG has attracted attention from the various political parties. It is rare to have representatives of four different political parties signed up to a cross-party group. These days, we struggle to get two or three to do that. That demonstrates the interest and the need for the cross-party group, and I think it will strengthen and increase in size.

On possible duplications or overlaps, the CPG on aviation used to touch on space, but, from the minutes, that appeared to be rare and it did not touch on the breadth and depth of the space industry, which is on a huge scale. The group seemed to focus more on the large commercial airlines, airports and travel agent groups. Bringing focus to the huge and growing space industry in Scotland is tremendously important. The sector simply warrants a dedicated CPG, as no other CPG fully captures it.

I am aware that there is a large number of CPGs, which is why I am here. I have been careful not to commit myself to a large number of CPGs this session, so that I can keep my focus on the CPGs of which I am convener and member. I believe that the members who have signed up to this CPG will have had the same considerations.

The CPG has three deputy conveners and me as convener, which will ensure that proper support can be given to the CPG and will give other MSPs the capacity to step in should someone not be available.

The group plans to meet about four times a year, more or less in the same way as other CPGs, but we will be a bit flexible on that. We are dealing with a lot of people and a complex and wide industry, so we will be a wee bit flexible about when we meet.

Given the support within the Parliament and from the industry groups, our link with the Westminster APPG, and the fact that we even have UK Government departments as members, which is probably a first, there is a strong case for this CPG, and I hope that the committee will give it due consideration.

In the early stages of discussions, when we were putting the group together, a couple of areas were highlighted that were causing some issues. One was about Government policy, both north and south of the border, and the lack of clarification that would allow the industry to develop. There were also concerns about regulatory constraints, because the regulations are not moving as fast as the space industry is. That is a UK issue that we would hope to highlight and explore with the APPG in Westminster.

We need a joined-up approach on this, because a lot of the companies that are signing up are operating north and south of the border. Things will be a little bit complicated until we get them bedded in, but, if we can make it work, the benefits to Scotland will be significant.

As you know, cross-party groups have no actual power, but they have the power of ensuring that views are heard and publicised and that people understand what the issues are. Government ministers are generous with their time when it comes to attending CPGs, which can help them to understand the issues.

There are a lot of issues around CPGs that deal with various competing bodies—some of the bodies that we are talking about are competitors, and I suspect that Airbus and Lockheed Martin are not commercially joined at the hip. However, if those issues are, indeed, important, they can be worked out by the participants who are pushing for the CPG—and they are pushing for it, because they see a value in it. There are many common issues—around planning, regulation and policy—and we can help to focus minds and bring those issues together. The work that is done will be much more powerful if it can be done in tandem in Scotland and at Westminster.

This cross-party group has already attracted a huge amount of attention and interest. MSPs become engaged in things for different reasons. It is partly about their own interests and partly about the interests of their constituents and so on. As far as the space CPG is concerned, the level of interest is probably the highest that I have seen in a long time. You talk about perhaps having time only to drop in on discussions that relate to your constituency. That is absolutely fine; indeed, it would be encouraged.

That is correct. We are taking a wide focus at this point. In our early meetings, I expect that the members will indicate where they need to focus attention through the CPG in order to gain awareness of the issues that the industry faces. I know that there will be regulatory issues and so on, some of which lie with the Scottish Government and some of which lie with the UK Government. The link between the two cross-party groups at the opposite ends of the country will be really useful for lobbying for what is needed to make sure that the industry is successful.