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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 1 November 2024
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Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 12 September 2024

Patrick Harvie

I am saying that only because all local taxation is devolved and we do not have that constraint on national tax.

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 12 September 2024

Patrick Harvie

An amount of money will be allocated in the coming budget, but you are also looking for a plan for the five years ahead. You want to have a sense of what the longer-term plan is for the course of increased funding. Is that right?

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 12 September 2024

Patrick Harvie

Rather than going round the table again, I will direct this question, which is about broadening or diversifying local sources of funding, to Susan Deighan, who has spoken the most about the local level. The Parliament has legislated to give local authorities the power to generate revenue through the introduction of a visitor levy—the City of Edinburgh Council has been the first mover on that, but I hope that it will not be the last. That might be particularly relevant for parts of the culture sector that do not have core funding. Some music venues are making the case for something similar through a stadium levy. How much further could we go? Are there opportunities not only to create a different way of using central Government funding but to introduce more local powers, so that revenue can be generated and put to use according to local priorities?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scotland’s Commissioner Landscape

Meeting date: 28 May 2024

Patrick Harvie

Good morning. A few of you have talked about this already, but it seems to me that we are using the term “commissioner” to mean very different things. There are those that carry out significant functions on an on-going basis; it is clear that the Scottish Information Commissioner, for example, needs to be a public body with serious resources, and most people would think it inappropriate for that to be part of Government. In other areas, however, what a commissioner does might be a piece of policy work that would happen within Government anyway, and it is all about carrying that out separately, perhaps beyond the Scottish Government, and bringing in the wider public sector.

As Jackson Carlaw has described on a couple of occasions, there is the slightly more amorphous space of advocacy, in which a call for a commissioner lands in much the same way as calls for other kinds of interventions to elevate the status of an issue. That seems an entirely legitimate thing for people to advocate for; indeed, it is consistent with the notion that we had 25 years ago that this would be a Parliament that shares power with the people, whether through citizens assemblies, which have been tried a few times, or the older idea of a civic forum, which was not brilliant but was abolished instead of being improved. There are various ways for that sort of thing to happen, and the creation of commissioners is a legitimate way of filling that space.

However, if the worry is that commissioners are proliferating and costing too much, I wonder whether, instead of closing them down, we should give them their space, but in a lighter-touch way. It would be like the difference between, say, an ambassador and an honorary consul. At the moment, the corporate body gives committees resources to appoint committee advisers on particular issues. Is there not space for something with a bit more status?

Such a person could be the Parliament’s adviser on a particular issue, who could perform some of the advocacy role and help to bring in marginalised voices, without the need for a public body in its own right. They would undertake that role and have a degree of status with Parliament directly. That would avoid the need to create a big range of new public bodies that need constant resourcing. The corporate body might even decide to cap the amount of money that was provided in each session of Parliament for appointing such people, and we could start each new session with a clean slate. Would that be one way of giving legitimate space to the very reasonable argument for a connection with civic society and a role for advocacy, but without all the baggage?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scotland’s Commissioner Landscape

Meeting date: 28 May 2024

Patrick Harvie

I have no relevant interests to declare.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scotland’s Commissioner Landscape

Meeting date: 28 May 2024

Patrick Harvie

Thank you. That was easy.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee 5 March 2024

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 5 March 2024

Patrick Harvie

Thank you, convener, and good morning to committee colleagues. I am pleased to be at the meeting to present three sets of regulations that will support the expiry of part 1 of the Cost of Living (Tenant Protection) (Scotland) Act 2022 on 31 March 2024 and introduce some important measures that will continue to support tenants from 1 April 2024.

As colleagues know, the emergency act came into force on 28 October 2022. Since then, it has continued to provide extra protection for tenants during very challenging economic times, including through the provision of a cap on in-tenancy rent increases and a moratorium on the enforcement of evictions. However, the measures in part 1 of the act were able to provide only temporary support during the worst of the cost crisis, and the legislation as approved by the Parliament in October 2022 clearly sets out that it could not be extended beyond 31 March this year. In order to support part 1 of the emergency act coming to an end, we have laid the three instruments that the committee is considering.

The Cost of Living (Tenant Protection) (Scotland) Act 2022 (Saving Provisions) Regulations 2024 is a negative instrument that is intended to facilitate the transition away from the emergency measures by saving certain provisions as they relate to processes that commenced prior to 1 April 2024. For the rent cap, certain schedule 1 provisions would be saved for rent increase notices that have been served before 1 April, as well as any subsequent referrals, applications or appeals in relation to them. For the temporary eviction grounds, the regulations will mean that any eviction notice that has been served on the basis of those provisions prior to 1 April may proceed or be appealed. Similarly, provisions will be saved for any action for unlawful eviction that was raised before 1 April and any subsequent appeal. Those provisions will be familiar to members from other time-limited legislation that we have passed previously. In effect, they mean that any action that was started before the expiry date will not have to be restarted just because the source legislation has expired.

The draft Cost of Living (Tenant Protection) (Scotland) Act 2022 (Expiry of Section 10: Extension) Regulations 2024 is an affirmative instrument that is technical in nature and it links to the third set of regulations, which I will turn to shortly. The regulations will modify the emergency act in order to change the time when section 10 and, by consequence, schedule 3 of the act will expire. Instead of expiring at the end of 31 March 2024, as part 1 of the act will, section 10 and schedule 3 will expire a year later, at the end of 31 March 2025. In line with the act’s requirements, the Scottish Government has laid a statement of reasons to accompany the draft regulations.

The third set of regulations has probably engaged the most interest across rented sector stakeholders. The draft Rent Adjudication (Temporary Modifications) (Scotland) Regulations 2024 will change how rents in relation to private residential tenancies and statutory assured tenancies are determined on referral by a tenant to a rent officer or the First-tier Tribunal for Scotland. The process of adjudication has been in place since 2017. Although it was suspended during the period of the rent cap, it has now resumed in a modified form. The proposed changes to the adjudication process are intended to smooth the transition away from the rent cap and to protect tenants from steep rent increases, which some tenants would experience if, in a single step, there were to be a move back to open market rent from rent levels that have been suppressed during the period for which the emergency act has been in force.

The legislation requires us to ensure that we reflect the interests of all parties in the rented sector. We recognise that landlords may have experienced rising costs, including from the need to improve and repair properties, which are usually recouped through rent. At the same time, although there have been some signs of improvement in the economic conditions for households in recent months, they follow a period of significant pressure such that, on average, households continue to face economic and financial conditions that are significantly more challenging than they were prior to the cost of living crisis. In particular, private rented sector households continue to report that they are, on average, under greater financial stress than the average for all households.

Once the rent cap expires, we would expect that many rent increases that are proposed by landlords may proceed as normal, with tenants agreeing to pay the proposed increase. However, it is reasonable to expect that there may be situations in which tenants wish to refer a proposed increase for adjudication. The emergency act provides Scottish ministers with the ability to temporarily modify the basis on which rent increases are adjudicated. The long-standing rent adjudication process allows for rent service Scotland or the First-tier Tribunal to make a determination on the proposed rent increase. That is based on a comparison with the rent for other properties in the area, which is known as the open market rent.

The amended adjudication proposal would see a third factor taken into account when a determination is made. Alongside the market rent and the rent that is being requested by the landlord, there will be an additional comparator. The final rent will be determined based on the lowest of the three figures and it may not be set at a rate above the rent that the landlord is requesting. The additional comparator will be based on the difference between the current rent and the open market rent, with the level of increase being determined on a sliding scale.

When the gap between the market rent and the current rent is less than 6 per cent, the comparator will not come into play, so the rent increase will be either the rent that is being sought by the landlord or the market rent, whichever is lower.

When the gap is between 6 per cent and 24 per cent, a sliding scale will apply, with an additional 0.3 per cent increase being allowed for each percentage point between the current rent and the market rent. The increase may not exceed 12 per cent of the overall rent. That will apply in all cases. The 12 per cent maximum would be reached only in cases in which market rents are 24 per cent or more higher than current rents.

That underlying formula is necessarily more complex than a simple rent cap, and we want to ensure that both landlords and tenants have clarity. That is why a simple online rent calculator forms part of our awareness-raising work. It was launched last Wednesday, well in advance of the changes taking place. Just as people do not need to understand everything about the underlying technology of the smartphone or the device on which they will use the calculator, they do not necessarily need to know exactly how the underlying formula works in order to use it effectively. The online calculator will allow tenants and landlords to see quickly how various rent scenarios would affect their situation. They do not need to follow the formula in detail. I am aware that members have also been made aware of the recent Scottish Parliament information centre blog on the ending of the emergency measures, which includes an online calculator that is similar to the one that the Scottish Government has provided. When sample numbers are put into the calculator, it will illustrate the potential impact of the proposed changes.

The transitional arrangements will amend the basis of rent adjudication for one year, from 1 April 2024 to 31 March 2025, but they may be extended for further periods of one year, if appropriate, with parliamentary approval. That would be based on an assessment of the circumstances at the time. As well as launching the online calculator to address the underlying complexity of the changes that we are proposing, we are running an awareness-raising campaign that is aimed at increasing awareness of tenants’ rights and empowering tenants to assert their rights if required. Our renters’ rights campaign launched last Wednesday and it will run for four weeks. We are keen to work with any tenant or landlord representative body to help to raise awareness of the changes and help people to understand how they will work in practice.

The regulations that the committee is considering are vital as they signal a move away from the emergency protections that were crucial in protecting and supporting tenants during the worst of the cost crisis, while also acknowledging that challenges remain and that it is right that we protect tenants as we move towards the pre-cost crisis position. They also come as we prepare the housing bill to be debated in Parliament. That bill will set out how we aim to regulate rents in the long term alongside a wider package of changes to increase tenants’ rights and prevent homelessness.

I thank the committee for its scrutiny of the instruments. I am happy to answer any questions.

10:15  

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee 5 March 2024

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 5 March 2024

Patrick Harvie

We have had to strike that balance throughout the process, from our framing the emergency legislation in the first place to considering its operation and, now, moving out of the relatively straightforward protection of a rent cap.

We have engaged with both tenant and landlord organisations and with stakeholder groups in the sector. We went through a process. It was not a full public consultation because, in order to make use of the most appropriate and up-to-date data, the process had to take place relatively soon before the end of the rent cap. It had to be close enough to that to ensure that we did not end up seeing a gap between the rent cap and the adjudication changes. We floated a lower cap of 10 per cent and an upper cap of 15 per cent. It is probably understandable and predictable that the responses to that were slightly polarised between those who represent different interest groups. However, fair arguments were made from all perspectives, and the fact that we have proposed a taper that moves to an upper threshold of 12 per cent demonstrates that we have taken account of the arguments and perspectives that a range of stakeholders shared during the process.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee 5 March 2024

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 5 March 2024

Patrick Harvie

As we go through this year and the committee engages with the proposed housing bill, we will want to explore the issues around data collection in that context. As things stand—that is, as things stood under rent adjudication prior to the temporary emergency legislation—we do not have granular, detailed data on the rents that are actually being paid; we have information far more prominently about rents that are being advertised. That said, rent officers take into account a wide range of factors in determining what they are going to consider to be open-market rent, including the quality and quantity of housing stock, some locational issues such as proximity to shops, banks, leisure facilities and other local amenities and services, and economic factors such as local employment and unemployment rates.

A range of factors is taken into account in making that calculation. The rent officers base their valuations on confirmed lettings information, wherever possible using additional data sources to support them through the valuation process. The process of calculating open-market rent has been embedded for a number of years. Experience and skills, and knowledge of local rental market conditions, have been built up, and we will continue to rely on that process.

10:30  

My only additional point is to reassure tenants who wish to bring a request for rent adjudication in those circumstances. They do not need to be able to make their own calculation of what open-market rent is; they can bring a request for adjudication, and the process will kick in and make that calculation. People do not need to have access to information that is not available to them in order to make a request for adjudication.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee 5 March 2024

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 5 March 2024

Patrick Harvie

Absolutely—we will. The point that Mr Coffey raises is relevant to the operation of the emergency protections, but actually goes back a bit before that. If we think back 10 or 15 years, evictions from the private rented sector were one of the leading sources of new homelessness referrals. That has been reducing, so there is evidence that the gradual changes in regulation that were brought in prior to the emergency legislation over a longer period have supported improvements in those statistics and show that evictions in the private rented sector have not been as predominant a source of new homelessness as they were previously. The protections that were part of the emergency legislation have supported, and have been consistent with, that trend. We are obviously keen to ensure that that progress is not reversed.

Earlier, I made a point—to Mark Griffin, if I remember rightly—about the pre-existing package of protections. No-fault evictions have not been permitted for quite some time, and the grounds for eviction are clearly and explicitly laid out. A more recent change was introduced through the coronavirus legislation, in that the pre-action protocols that social landlords previously had to undertake before seeking an eviction have now been extended to the private rented sector.

We believe that a viable and vibrant private rented sector works at its best when landlords and tenants have a shared interest in securing, sustaining and maintaining tenancies and in avoiding breakdowns. Most landlords do not want to go through a constant cycle of losing good tenants who pay their rent, and most tenants want to be good tenants who are able to pay their rent and have somewhere that they can afford to live with some security. That is what we should be aiming for.

The requirement for pre-action protocols simply embeds the good practice that responsible landlords will, in many cases, already have been using, with landlords seeking ways to sustain a tenancy as a first resort and pursuing eviction only as a last resort, when it cannot be avoided. Sadly, in some cases, eviction will be a necessary step, but I hope that the pre-action protocols ensure that eviction is seen as a last resort rather than a first resort. The evidence shows that those protocols have been effective. We should return to the pre-existing strong package of protections, and we should continue our efforts to drive up standards in the private rented sector by supporting the actions of responsible landlords who have used good practice in the past and by encouraging others to raise their standards.