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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 27 November 2024
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Finance and Public Administration Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2022-23: Public Finances and the Impact of Covid-19

Meeting date: 14 September 2021

Kenneth Gibson

We are indeed.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2022-23: Public Finances and the Impact of Covid-19

Meeting date: 14 September 2021

Kenneth Gibson

In your submission, you said:

“The RSE believes that a spending priority will be to support the economy through investing in early-stage companies (spinouts and start-ups), which are crucial to job creation”.

I agree. What mechanism could be used through the budget settlement to enable that to happen?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2022-23: Public Finances and the Impact of Covid-19

Meeting date: 14 September 2021

Kenneth Gibson

Name them.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2022-23: Public Finances and the Impact of Covid-19

Meeting date: 14 September 2021

Kenneth Gibson

That is helpful.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2022-23: Public Finances and the Impact of Covid-19

Meeting date: 14 September 2021

Kenneth Gibson

Yes, but have you looked at what the impact on behaviour would be of increasing those taxes? Obviously, if someone faces a significantly higher tax burden in Scotland than they would face elsewhere, they might decide to operate their business from somewhere else and we would then not get their income tax. That is what I was asking about. There have been studies on behavioural impacts, and I just wonder what level of taxation you think is the optimum in that regard.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2022-23: Public Finances and the Impact of Covid-19

Meeting date: 14 September 2021

Kenneth Gibson

Thank you for that.

Gail Macgregor mentioned the fiscal framework. In paragraph 28 of your submission, you say:

“The devolution of tax powers to the Scottish Parliament has introduced a higher level of risk and uncertainty around the assumptions required to deliver a Budget ... Fundamentally the relative difference in earnings growth and the composition of taxpayers in Scotland compared to the rest of the UK, which is a key feature of the current block grant adjustment mechanism, suggests an inherent unfairness in Scotland’s disfavour.”

How would you rebalance that? We will be deliberating on that issue over the weeks and months ahead.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2022-23: Public Finances and the Impact of Covid-19

Meeting date: 14 September 2021

Kenneth Gibson

Susan, I asked you the first question, and you will get the last word. Obviously, the consequentials will be rolled out over a number of years. What is your view of how the proposal will impact on Scotland’s budget and economy?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2022-23: Public Finances and the Impact of Covid-19

Meeting date: 14 September 2021

Kenneth Gibson

Ray, is there anyone who knows how all those different things fit together?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2022-23: Public Finances and the Impact of Covid-19

Meeting date: 14 September 2021

Kenneth Gibson

Indeed. As I recall, productivity is a balance of skills, attitude, aptitude and capital applied. It is a question of getting that balance right, is it not?

I thank our witnesses. In particular, I thank you for coming to give evidence in person, which makes a significant difference to the quality of the session. That is very much appreciated. We hope to see you all again before too long.

We will have a two-minute break, after which we will consider a letter from the cabinet secretary.

Meeting closed at 12:55.  

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2022-23: Public Finances and the Impact of Covid-19

Meeting date: 14 September 2021

Kenneth Gibson

What about CIPFA, Alan?