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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 24 November 2024
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Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 16 January 2024

Shona Robison

First, the intention is for the council tax freeze to be a one-year intervention, so it is difficult to make comparisons with funding something that would have an on-going cost, such as increasing the Scottish child payment, which, of course, is increasing in line with inflation to £26.70. When we think back to where the Scottish child payment started, it is considerably higher than it was and it is estimated to have had a substantial impact, reducing child poverty levels by 5 percentage points. Our investment in the Scottish child payment is there for all to see.

Those on lower incomes pay a larger percentage of their income on council tax. You could argue that the benefit will be most keenly felt by those on lower-to-medium incomes, because they pay a higher proportion of their income on that tax. Of course, one of the reasons why the multiplier was mooted in the first place is the differential in the proportion of people’s income that those in the lower and the higher council tax bands are required to pay. I think that our measure probably has a larger impact on those on lower-to-medium incomes.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 16 January 2024

Shona Robison

It is partly mitigation but, of course, our investment in social security has for a number of years gone beyond the block grant adjustment. That additional investment is beyond the consequentials that flow to social security, and I would argue that it is an additional investment in reducing poverty. You can see from the additional investment, whether it is in the Scottish child payment or the adult disability payment, the importance that we place on trying to support the most vulnerable people in our society.

So, it is a bit of both. It is partly mitigation. Some of the wider spend, whether it is on discretionary housing payments or the Scottish welfare fund, is clearly mitigation of UK Government welfare policies. Without that spend, people would not be able to sustain their tenancies or manage in the cost of living crisis. We have also decided to re-establish the independent living fund, which will support people to live independently in their homes. We hope that that will prevent people from losing their independence and support people who are in work and who have disabilities. It is a balance.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 16 January 2024

Shona Robison

I know that COSLA is looking at work around the distribution of resources, and I will bring Ellen Leaver in on that in a second. However, as has been the case for decades, it is very difficult for COSLA members to agree distributional changes among themselves; it is incredibly difficult to get 32 leaders with particular interests from their councils’ positions to agree to a position that might not benefit them. Of course, COSLA’s distribution of resources is done by agreement, so it makes change very difficult.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 16 January 2024

Shona Robison

We can look at examples such as the funding for woodland creation, which has been prioritised and which will facilitate around 9,000 hectares of new planting and contribute to meeting climate change targets and net zero delivery. Scottish Forestry has a good track record of approving new woodland applications; in fact, it has approved a record number. The work that Scottish Forestry is able to do will be focused on some of the key delivery areas. It will not be able to do everything, and we expect it, like any public organisation, to prioritise the investments that it must make.

I come back to the point that I have made throughout the meeting, which is that given that we have less money to go around, we have had to be clear with organisations about the priorities. We cannot expect them to deliver everything if they do not have the resources to do that, so such prioritisation is critical. That is what we would expect of Scottish Forestry, along with all the other organisations that are helping to deliver in rural Scotland.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 16 January 2024

Shona Robison

I will maybe get Alison Cumming to check that.

When we ask businesses what makes a difference and how our enterprise agencies or Business Gateway can best assist them, we find that they are not always aligned to the same priorities. Therefore, there is a discussion to be had about what the evidence tells us about what has the biggest impact. In times of constrained resource, it is important that we prioritise.

We will have to come back to the committee in relation to Business Gateway, if that is okay. We will write to the committee about that specifically.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 16 January 2024

Shona Robison

It would not have been viable to base a funding arrangement for the council tax freeze on the amount by which each local authority said that it was going to put up its council tax. I do not think that COSLA—or the 32 local authority leaders—would have agreed with one authority getting 10 per cent and another authority getting 3 per cent, depending on the projection. I think that there would have been an outcry if that had been the proposition. There would always have to have been an averaging of those projections to see where the quantum lands. As I said earlier, the quantum is not out of line with Fraser of Allander analysis.

However, I recognise that there are particular issues. For example, from my discussions with the leader of Orkney Islands Council, I am well aware that there are structural issues around its funding through the special islands needs allowance. There are some distributional issues for rural authorities more generally, but Orkney Islands Council has particular issues, and we will need to look at how we can support the council to address those.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 16 January 2024

Shona Robison

I will be happy to furnish the committee with that longer-term plan after the spring budget. MTFS in May will be a key point at which I can set out what the medium term looks like, in the light of what we know at that point.

The point that you are looking at goes a bit beyond that, into the longer term, and I know that the committee is taking an interest in that. I will try to furnish the committee with as much information as possible on that at the earliest opportunity.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 16 January 2024

Shona Robison

That information and evidence will be important for the interventions that we are making. Reliefs change over time; some cease and then new ones are introduced. Gathering an evidence base on the impact of each relief is important, and that work is on-going. I am happy to keep the committee apprised of the information that we get back on the analysis of that.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 16 January 2024

Shona Robison

The Minister for Housing is looking at what the business model might be for levering in additional investment. The situation might look a bit different from the traditional delivery that housing associations, which raise private investment to deliver on their targets, will continue to provide.

We are looking at whether there is scope to lever in additional investment, underpinned by Scottish Government investment, for particular delivery models, such as those for mid-market rents. The Minister for Housing has been working on that for some time. Once that work has come to a conclusion, he will set out in more detail what that might look like.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 16 January 2024

Shona Robison

That is not an unreasonable suggestion. It might not be a bad idea to have some kind of note to explain why that amount is not part of the purchasing power of the budget that is being given to higher education student support but is really an accounting issue.