Chamber and committees

Am I right in thinking that you said that the payments are made by different organisations?

Thank you.

We will come later to issues of processing, minister. You say in the Government’s response to the report by the Scottish Commission on Social Security that existing signposting and referral pathways will be developed. Will you set out what those are? Having done various bits of engagement, I am not aware that there are referral pathways between Social Security Scotland and other public sector organisations, including the national health service and, possibly, local authorities, in the way that the DWP has those referral mechanisms.

I thank the minister for that, although it was possibly a statement as opposed to an intervention. I could have predicted—despite my forgetting that I could take an intervention—that that particular intervention was coming.

I was about to say that I understand that there have been some difficulties with roll-out. It was interesting that the minister mentioned that it had been the Scottish Government’s engagement with the DWP to get the data that had been the issue. Therein lies my concern. I believe that both our Governments should be engaging much better on matters of household finances, particularly at a time of cost of living pressures. I honestly think that we need to get to a position in which both Governments can work more closely on that.

I was also about to say that I am not terribly interested in some of the negotiations between the Governments. However, I am interested in the fact that the families of thousands of children were not able to access the payment from the date at which the Scottish Government and others considered that it would be necessary for them to do so. Regardless of whether the fault lies at the door of the DWP or of the Scottish Government, if those families had got it at that date, the past two years would have been significantly better for them.

I again put on record my frustration about the roll-out to over-sixes, but I will finish where I started: by saying that we welcome any extra funding through the Scottish child payment that affected families can get at this time, and that we will vote for the regulations.

My understanding from conversations with various people who work locally is that there is no referral system to another agency. The DWP, for example, can make a direct referral, but that direct referral option is not available in Social Security Scotland. It sounds like there is a more manual workaround in which someone will tell a client that they should speak to Social Security Scotland or Social Security Scotland will say to a client that they should speak to one agency or another, but there is no automation of the referral process or even any directly recognised referral process. Is that clearer?

Good morning to the minister and his officials. I will start on a point of agreement: I completely share the minister’s belief that the UK Government has not done enough to support people during the cost of living crisis.

I am interested in the promotion of education maintenance allowance as a follow-on benefit to the Scottish child payment. I know that it has been touched on already, but can the minister set out what the Government is doing to make that process as automated as it could be—or, indeed, automated entirely?

Although we, in the Scottish Labour Party, obviously welcome the Scottish child payment and the additional money that is being allocated to it—the £5 per week top-up—we share some concerns about the delays to its full roll-out, not just as a result of some of the acute issues that we may see over the next few months with the uptick in applications, but because of the number of years that it has taken for over-sixes to access the payment. I understand that the minister—

Are there plans to combine the delivery?

Convener, if I combine it with one of the questions that I have on the other theme to be quicker, can I ask a follow-up question? It is a good example of what I was going to ask.

I thank the minister for the answer, but that sounds quite a bit like there is still a reliance on the individual to apply. Is there a reason—that I am not aware of—why there could not be an automatic follow-on?

My apologies, but I need to go because I have another meeting just now. I am sorry, but I am sure that I will hear the feedback.