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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 25 November 2024
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Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Gender Recognition Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 31 May 2022

Pam Duncan-Glancy

The reason for my asking is that it is only such evidence that demonstrates the experience of self-declaration.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Gender Recognition Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 31 May 2022

Pam Duncan-Glancy

Please help me to understand. Have we not already, in the 2004 act, identified who would be protected under that section? Have we not also set out, in that act, what the effect of having a GRC would be? Which parts of the new act would change those aspects?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Gender Recognition Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 31 May 2022

Pam Duncan-Glancy

—but the policy that already exists.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Gender Recognition Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 31 May 2022

Pam Duncan-Glancy

So is it the effect of a GRC or the process of accessing a GRC that you think needs to change?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Gender Recognition Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 31 May 2022

Pam Duncan-Glancy

Good afternoon, panel. Thank you for joining us and for providing submissions in advance.

I want to ask, first, about the international evidence. Naomi McAuliffe, will you say a little bit about your understanding of the international evidence of potential positive or negative impacts of self-ID in countries that have brought it in?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Gender Recognition Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 31 May 2022

Pam Duncan-Glancy

I have a final question on that. We heard earlier that some women are opting out of attending single-sex spaces and services for women such as rape crisis centres. Are you aware of that? If so, what is your response?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Gender Recognition Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 31 May 2022

Pam Duncan-Glancy

That is helpful. I have one further question on border issues, if that is okay, convener.

In your submissions, you talk about the importance of ensuring that refugees and asylum seekers can access the process. Do we need to change the bill to make sure that that is the case? Could the Government provide further clarity and guidance on that if the committee asked for it?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Gender Recognition Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 31 May 2022

Pam Duncan-Glancy

Have any other countries done it well or badly? Are there any examples that you could use to say, “Do it like this, not like that”?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Gender Recognition Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 31 May 2022

Pam Duncan-Glancy

I thank the witnesses for their contributions so far.

I have a small supplementary on what was said earlier about the decoupling of law and diagnosis and medical treatment. In particular, Lucy Hunter Blackburn said that in Denmark people were moving to self-declaration for medical treatment. What is the system of medical care in that country in comparison to here? I cannot imagine a situation here in which someone could approach a medical professional and ask them to do something, and they would just do it.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Gender Recognition Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 31 May 2022

Pam Duncan-Glancy

The bill does not erase gender dysphoria but just takes out the process—