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Criminal Justice Committee
Meeting date: 21 June 2023
Audrey Nicoll
Are members content to delegate to me the publication of a short report that summarises the outcomes of our deliberations on the LCM?
Members indicated agreement.
Criminal Justice Committee
Meeting date: 21 June 2023
Audrey Nicoll
The issue will now move to the chamber, where it will be for all members to decide on, based on our report. I thank the minister and his officials for their attendance, which has been short and sweet.
We will have a short suspension while we await the arrival of Maree Todd.
10:09 Meeting suspended.Criminal Justice Committee
Meeting date: 21 June 2023
Audrey Nicoll
Our next item of business is consideration of a supplementary legislative consent memorandum on the Online Safety Bill. I am very pleased to welcome to the meeting the Minister for Social Care, Mental Wellbeing and Sport, Maree Todd, and her Scottish Government officials. Hilary Third is head of self-harm policy and distress interventions—mental health; and Katy Richards is a solicitor in the legal directorate.
I refer members to paper 2.
I invite the minister to make some opening remarks on the supplementary LCM, after which we will move to questions.
Criminal Justice Committee
Meeting date: 21 June 2023
Audrey Nicoll
Nobody else wants to come in.
Russell Findlay and Jamie Greene have both made a lot of reasonable points. The letter sets out the current position around legislation, which, in the context of this discussion around pyrotechnics, has perhaps one or two gaps.
I was pleased to read that the minister, along with officials, is having
“further discussions with Police Scotland, football clubs and authorities, and other ... stakeholders, about the effectiveness of FBOs.”
The point that you made latterly, Jamie, around the course of conduct, is key. We may be able to ask about that, but it is my understanding that a course of conduct would be anticipated before an order would be placed on someone. That is a practical issue at the moment. A lifelong ban would apply if a series of incidents—a course of conduct—indicated that a person was not desisting from their behaviour but continued taking pyrotechnics into a ground.
We have noted the points that have been raised. If the committee is in agreement, we can put those further questions to the minister.
Members: indicated agreement.
Criminal Justice Committee
Meeting date: 21 June 2023
Audrey Nicoll
We move straight to questions from members, starting with Jamie Greene.
Criminal Justice Committee
Meeting date: 21 June 2023
Audrey Nicoll
The issue now moves to the chamber for all members to decide on, based on our report.
I thank the minister and her officials for joining us this morning. We will have a short pause to allow the minister to leave.
Criminal Justice Committee
Meeting date: 21 June 2023
Audrey Nicoll
Thanks very much for raising that issue. When we were scrutinising the original LCM, there was quite a lot of good communication at that time. I would not like to say how that has continued as regards what we are considering today and in relation to amendments, but there was some pretty robust communication previously.
Criminal Justice Committee
Meeting date: 21 June 2023
Audrey Nicoll
Our next item of business is consideration of a supplementary legislative consent memorandum on the Economic Crime and Corporate Transparency Bill. I am pleased to welcome the Minister for Community Wealth and Public Finance, Tom Arthur, and his officials: Sian Ledger, land reform policy and legislation team leader; George Dickson, detect and disrupt team leader; Michael Paparakis, civil law policy manager; and Patrick Down, criminal law practice and licensing unit team leader, all from the Scottish Government.
I refer members to paper 5.
I invite the minister to make his opening remarks on the supplementary LCM, after which we will move to questions.
Criminal Justice Committee
Meeting date: 21 June 2023
Audrey Nicoll
Thank you, members and cabinet secretary.
Our next item of business, under item 2, is consideration of any final issues that we would like to include in our report on the supplementary legislative consent memorandum. I open up the floor to members again, so that they can raise any specific issues that they would like to be included in our report. We will then move on from there.
Criminal Justice Committee
Meeting date: 21 June 2023
Audrey Nicoll
I am sorry—I did not quite hear that.