Chamber and committees

I can see Vicky Irons nodding along with you, so we will go to her first. Lesson learned, Vicky Irons: if you nod along, I will come to you first.

Yes.

We are rapidly running out of time, but I will take very short questions from two other members.

Other members want to come in on structure and governance.

I will bring in Judith Proctor. If other witnesses want to add anything, I ask them to put an R in the chat box—I will see that, because it is in front of me.

Thank you. I ask everyone to be mindful of time in relation to the length of both questions and answers, because we have a tremendous number of questions still to ask. If our witnesses want to add anything to what has already been said, please use the chat box to do so.

Judith—that seems like a good question to put to you.

Who would you like to direct that to, initially?

Thank you. I will bring in Allen Stevenson.

Vicky, I would like to pick up on something that you said in your earlier answer to Emma Harper about how the focus on delayed discharge can, in fact, mask quite a lot of the positive things that have been achieved, such as the flow of an increased amount of people out of hospital and into care settings and their getting the support that they need from the IJB and the people you employ.

We often hear that people are not coming into the care sector or are leaving the care sector because they feel demoralised. Is the way in which the good performance and the achievements that are being made when you meet the demand—in, as you say, a challenging situation—are being reported in the public discourse part and parcel of why you have challenges in terms of people’s morale?