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Do you agree with the principle of co-design with stakeholders, in order to inform that detail?

Although we do not have a specific theme to ask about on it, I wonder whether part 2 of the bill, which is about records and data systems and the sharing of data, might help with regard to integration and the potential for care users to have a bit more agency and not to have to tell their story a million times to a million different people. What are your views on part 2?

We move on to the rights to breaks for carers.

In social care throughout the country, are there gaps, such as in the provision of complaints processes or with regard to people’s ability to challenge the service that they have received on the basis of their human rights? Would the bill provide a springboard to address those gaps?

I call Sandesh Gulhane, and then I will bring in Emma Harper.

I was going to ask about that, because it is about making it clear to people what they can expect. Obviously, these rights exist—you have just referenced some of the legislation that outlines them—but is the gap really in people’s understanding of what their rights are? You say that it is presentational, but would a charter that has been co-designed by those people be easily accessible so that people would know what their rights are with regard to the care that they might receive?

We now move to questions from Evelyn Tweed on a theme that is already establishing itself today, namely secondary legislation.

There will be an opportunity to consider the content of the secondary legislation when it comes before us. You say that there is a danger of losing momentum, but given that secondary legislation will come out of the co-design process and come back to Parliament, where is the real danger? Every aspect of the secondary legislation will go through scrutiny and consultation processes.

Is the nervousness not just because the process is a new way of doing things that actually includes the public more?

As no other colleagues have indicated that they have any more questions to ask, I thank the three panellists for their time this morning, and I suspend the meeting to allow a changeover of witnesses.