Chamber and committees

My point is that there is a difference between delivery and accountability. There will still be local delivery, but there will be ministerial oversight of the standards.

Is that because so much of the detail will happen in secondary legislation as a result of the co-design process with stakeholders?

Paul O’Kane has a question on fair work, but he also wants to pick up on co-design, I believe. I will then go back to Emma Harper, who has some questions on fair work.

Is the fact that human rights will be incorporated into other Government and Parliament procedures the reason for their not being referenced in the bill? The incorporation of such rights will be an overarching process—it will go across every piece of legislation that we have before us. Should they be referenced in the bill?

If there are no other questions on that theme, I will move on to Anne’s law and questions from Carol Mochan.

Do the other witnesses want to come in on any aspects of the charter? I am interested to know whether you feel that something like a charter would have made a difference, particularly with regard to people exercising their rights in the pandemic. People’s experiences during the pandemic probably brought the need for a national care service to the fore. Do you think that that has been a gap? What is the point in having the legislation if it does not address issues and gaps?

With Paul O’Kane’s permission, I will bring in Sandesh Gulhane, who wants to pick up on one point.

I will come back to the issue of fair work, because I believe that Emma Harper has a question on that before we move on.

On that prompt, I will bring in Jackie Buchanan.

We must move on, because we are rapidly running out of time. There are questions around the transfers of specific services. Evelyn Tweed will go first, and then we will go to Stephanie Callaghan.